Tower: From Wisconsin to California

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[00:01:32] Lori: Okay, let's dive in.

[00:01:34] Lori: Today's guest I'm really excited about. It's not too often I get somebody in my own backyard to come into the studio today. Um, this gentleman is from Wisconsin. He, in high school, he actually played football, baseball, wrestling. He's been on numerous magazine covers.

[00:01:52] Lori: Also did a little television here and there. So he did married with Children's Knots Landing. I'm sure some other ones will talk about. He was Mr. America in 1990, and he just finished doing the Masters Nationals, and we'll talk about that. I am super excited to introduce Steve Henneberry, better known as.

[00:02:13] Lori: Tower from the American Gladiators.

[00:02:16] Tower: Hey, Lori. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having me. This is so awesome. Thank you.

[00:02:21] Lori: Well, the other thing I wanted to mention that I forgot to say is you're one of the number one real estate agents here in Los Angeles.

[00:02:26] Tower: Oh. Not one of the number one, but I'm, I'm doing well, the number one.

[00:02:29] Lori: No, I'm doing well. He's like, no, I'm the number one. We're, we're doing well. Yeah, we're doing well. That's really cool. Let's talk about that first. First of all, you know, wait a minute, I'm gonna talk about something, because as I was going through and I said, I heard wrestling, you're a big guy to be wrestling in high school.

[00:02:45] Lori: How was that? I

[00:02:46] Wanting to become Mr. America

[00:02:46] Tower: mean, well, I wasn't always as big in high school, Lori. I mean, I, my, actually, my freshman year, I wrestled 115 pounds. No way. Yeah. So I, how tall are you? Six four. But I wasn't, I was only six foot, but I was 115 pounds. I mean, I was that big around, and I mean, I could stand behind a telephone pole and you couldn't see me.

[00:03:01] Lori: So how, let me ask you that for a second, because my girlfriend's son, he's, he's, how tall is he now? I think he's like, I don't know, five. 7, 5, 8. Then when did you start putting on weight? How long did it take you to start putting on weight when you were that thin, that tall? Well, I always

[00:03:16] Tower: consider myself as a being a late bloomer as far as physically, I mean, I mean, boys tend, you know, 10, uh, they usually mature a little bit slower than women a lot.

[00:03:26] Tower: I'm kidding. No, but I was a late bloomer and, uh, so I started, I didn't start putting weight on until my junior senior year and my senior year I graduated about 180 5. So I went from one 15 as a freshman being 180 5 as a senior. And then I just fell in love with weight lifting and body building, you know, my, you know, my senior year of high school.

[00:03:43] Tower: And, uh, okay, so that's when

[00:03:44] Lori: you started actually lifting weights was in your senior year of

[00:03:47] high

[00:03:47] Tower: school? Well, it was, it was in, in 19, in 1979 is when, um, okay. I, I, um, bought up my first Muscle Fitness magazine and Gary Leonard was on the cover of that magazine. I can remember it like it was yesterday, and I looked at that magazine and I said, God, what would it be like to be Mr.

[00:04:01] Tower: America? Really Uhhuh. And I says, I'm giving myself 10 years to do this. Now I didn't share this Lori with a lot of people because they had looked at me and like, I know. Yeah, right. You know, but it's, it stuck right here with me the whole entire time. So I mean, going up, you know, growing up in a small town in Wisconsin, we didn't have facilities, we didn't have personal trainers, we didn't have the internet.

[00:04:20] Tower: We didn't have, I learned everything in the magazines or Encyclopedia. Encyclopedia. I remember

[00:04:25] Lori: those days. I remember flipping through the magazines and reading how to train biceps and chest and back and

[00:04:30] Tower: stuff. Yeah. You know, so that's kind of how I started my bodybuilding career, setting that goal first and just kind of it living and breathing it every day.

[00:04:38] Tower: I mean, I remember breaking dates, you know, not, you know, wanting to go out with my buddies because, you know, and if I told them why they'd go, that's 10 years enough from now, what? What does it matter? Right. You know? But I just knew in my heart that I needed to continue, stay true to my goal. Yeah, exactly.

[00:04:53] Tower: You know, and uh, then, you know, as I won like the Mr. Wisconsin and onto some local stuff, I knew I needed to be in California.

[00:05:01] Lori: Yeah. So, where'd you get your discipline from at such an early age? I mean, was that like a family thing? Was it just you or

[00:05:07] Tower: what? Well, I think the work ethics came from of, of course, my mom and dad, you know, growing up on a, on a farm, learning how to work real hard, you know, every day.

[00:05:15] Tower: And, and I think my own personal discipline is that I hated failing. You know, I was never that, I was never that star athlete in high school. Mm. I was always just, okay. Mm-hmm. Right? So I wanted to do something that on my own without being, it's not that I'm not a team player, but I want to do something on my own and that I can say I did that.

[00:05:33] Lori: No, I get that because I was always part of a team, right. All everything that I played in high school were team, and I wanted to be like the individual to see if I could shine. Right? So I thought about going into tennis, but it never took off. But anyway,

[00:05:47] Tower: it was never too late. Yeah, right. All right. Um, but yeah, so I mean, so then I knew I needed to be in California.

[00:05:53] Tower: I remember coming out here, um, you know, to visit California and, and go to the famous Gold's Gym. Mm. You know, and I had just won, um, a, a contest bachelor. I was in pretty decent shape. I was six four, probably 2 50, 2 60 back then. Wow. And, um, and I remember going to Gold's Gym and, um, ed Connors, who's one of the third owners of the Gold's Gym, uh, saw me working out there.

[00:06:15] Tower: And he come up to me and I mean, I knew exactly who he was from the magazines. Yeah. I mean, it's not that I knew him from, you know, from the internet or Instagram or anything like that. And he says, hi, I'm Ed Connors. And he goes, uh, you're not from here, are you? And I says, no, I'm not. He goes, you look really good.

[00:06:28] Tower: He goes, I'd like to take you to lunch. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't know you. And yeah, I said, you know, I'm, I, I'm busy. I said, he goes, well, can you come back play hard to get, oh, he, he says, can you come back tomorrow? He goes, um, you know, I really would like to get to know you. So we were staying at Santa Clarita with some family, and, and I remember going back there and thinking, God, I need to go see this guy.

[00:06:49] Tower: Nice. Nice. And I remember making a trip from Santa Clarita back into the Venice. Right. And you know, meeting with, sitting down with Ed, and I'll never forget this, Lori, I mean, after we were done with our lunch, he says, go back. He goes, he goes, if you wanna take some gold Gold's Gym gear was the hot stuff.

[00:07:03] Lori: Everybody wanted it. Yeah. The biggest one actually was Gold's Gym in Honolulu, Hawaii. Yeah. Like, apparently that store made more money than any store around the United States and around the me. Yeah. So everybody wanted Gold's

[00:07:15] Tower: Gym. So I remember him telling me, saying, go ahead Steve. Go pick, go pick a few things out, you know, backdoor.

[00:07:21] Tower: So I'm like, I'm just trying to be real respectful. Yeah. I took a t-shirt, I remember taking a hat and a pair of shorts and he says, oh no. He goes, whatever you want. I looked at him. You remember? Hell yeah. I walked out with two bag folds and, and That's awesome. He never blinked an eye in that, but I thought I scored.

[00:07:40] Tower: Yeah. And so he then said, he goes, what is it gonna take to get you out here in California? I says, well, I'm in Wisconsin. I have commitments there. And I, because I had just bought a gym, a gym back there, you know? Yeah,

[00:07:51] Lori: that's what I heard

[00:07:52] Tower: too. And uh, so I had a commitment to this gym and my members and, and I remember going back there and telling everyone, you know, showing up with all this gold gym.

[00:07:59] Tower: And everyone was like, oh, you lucky sucker. You know? Yeah. I can't believe it. And we're all sitting around the front counter of the gym and the FedEx Now, this is in the late, uh, middle eighties, early eighties. FedEx is like, like it's big business. It's something really important. It's Santa coming. It's like really important.

[00:08:15] Tower: Whatever's coming with FedEx in the eighties. Yeah. I'm thinking He shows up and he hands me a FedEx envelope and it was a check for $5,000. No way. Wow. And $5,000 in the, it was a lot back then in 83 or 84 was a lot. Oh, absolutely. And I remember calling my mom, I said, mom, I said, I just got a check from Ed Connor.

[00:08:32] Tower: She goes, don't cash it. She goes, he'll own you then. Oh my

[00:08:35] Lori: God. Parents. I know, right? Parents are so

[00:08:38] Tower: afraid of everything. It, it was just a little notice in here thought, does my help get you out here a little faster? So what was,

[00:08:42] Lori: what was the incentive of him getting you out here for? What was the reason you think, well,

[00:08:46] Tower: ed, I, how well you know, ed and his story, Ed's discovered a lot, a lot of body builders over the years.

[00:08:52] Lori: So he wanted that discovery.

[00:08:53] From Wisconsin to California

[00:08:53] Tower: Yeah. Okay. I mean, he's like, Brian Hellwig, the ultimate warrior he's responsible for. Right. Just name, there's just a ton of bodybuilders. Um, um, anyway, so I remember coming out and I, and he says, I got a job for you. He goes, sell your gym, Al. We're op, you can invest that money into a Gold's Gym in San Diego.

[00:09:09] Tower: Nice. We're opening one right now. And I could be an owner in that and I would have a job and Right. So I just mentioned you like score. Yeah. And so I mentioned it to, you know, some of my, my members and stuff like that. And one of my members says, well, I'll buy this gym from you. Wow. So it was meant to be,

[00:09:25] Lori: everything started happening and then falling into place and everything.

[00:09:27] Lori: I didn't look for it. So when you started body building, I mean, did you start at like small local levels before you hit Mr. America? Obvious, yes. Okay, so you went small, local, kind of like, what I did is I went city, uh, I went city then, um, state and the nationals. Now I was trying to go pro. Did you ever wanna go pro?

[00:09:45] Lori: I mean, did it.

[00:09:47] Tower: I did. Okay. I mean, my goal was, uh, I wanted to, I won American and I wanted the Window. Universe. Got it. Okay. And then I just, and then I became a weeder guy. Mm-hmm. And you know, and I just didn't like, what was Joe always when you showed up for Joe, you had to, I mean, his first thing is Hannah Berry, let me see them abs.

[00:10:04] Tower: And you always had to be in shape. I mean, as you know, like, oh

[00:10:08] Lori: my God, screw this shit. I just want to eat a McDonald's cheeseburger. I

[00:10:12] Tower: mean, I like to think that I try to stay in, you know, pretty decent to shape all year, but I'm, I never blow out to the point where a lot of people do, but I just didn't know if I wanted to be at that level all the time.

[00:10:21] Tower: I've seen

[00:10:22] Lori: guys like that and it looks hard.

[00:10:23] Tower: Yeah. And, and it's tough. And, uh, so, um, I just put bodybuilding kind of on the back burn, and quite frankly, I was on a photo shoot for, for Muscle Fitness. Mm-hmm. And, um, the photographer, um, uh, Robert Re he, he says, Hey, you're in great shape right now. You should go try for this new show.

[00:10:40] Lori: Now before we get into gladiators like that and everything, I mean with, with your diet back then and you training and everything like that, was it as hard for you as like, okay, for me, I was eating boiled fish three times, four times a day? Broccoli, remember? Okay. So remember back then we didn't have the education that we have now, right?

[00:11:02] Lori: And I always say, I wish I would've known back then what I know now, like you know about all the good fats and you know, yeah, you can eat this because it's gonna release the fats, you know? But it was like so hardcore that it's just, it was, I mean, when you were dieting back then, I mean, what has changed now?

[00:11:20] Lori: I mean, what do you know now that you wish you knew back then? Like dieting and all that kind of stuff?

[00:11:25] The Gladiator Diet

[00:11:25] Tower: Well, I know now that, that I didn't have to eat as much tuna fish. There you go. See, I mean, to this day I, I don't think I can even eat a can of tuna fish anymore. Um, because it's all we had was, you know, egg whites, tuna fish, and chicken breasts.

[00:11:36] Tower: Yeah. Pretty much. You know, and uh, ground Turkey was just kind of coming out in a time mm-hmm. In a day. And people said it was still too much fat. Yep. And didn't know about avocados were healthy fats, you know, or olive. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You know, so what I know today is that, you know, what I try to do now is, is I try to eat into my contest, grow into my contest.

[00:11:55] Tower: Mm-hmm. Instead of lose for the contest, if that makes sense. Okay. Right. So what, you know, back in the day we used to deplete, deplete, deplete. Yes. You know, and starve. And then carved day

[00:12:03] Lori: one

[00:12:04] Tower: day you carved day and star and starve, starve, starve, you know, into the contest. So you wonder why you're, you know, you're not as full the day of or, or the week, you know, peak week when you're supposed to be peaking out.

[00:12:14] Tower: So what I know today, it's a lot different. I mean, and I actually have a coach today now, you know, so knowing what I know, as long as I've been doing it for 40 some years, I still pay a coach because if I'm paying someone, Lori, I'm gonna do what,

[00:12:27] Lori: you know, you're gonna show up and you're gonna do what they say.

[00:12:29] Lori: Yeah, exactly. So was it as hard for you this time around when you did the master's national dieting and training than it was when you were in your younger years?

[00:12:38] Tower: It's harder. You don't, your body at 60 years old, your body doesn't recover as fast. Lori, no shit.

[00:12:44] Lori: I'm like not digging

[00:12:46] Tower: this part. I mean, I hate to say it.

[00:12:47] Tower: Um, yeah, you know, it just back in the day I used to be able to do biceps, you know, on the third day I'd be ready to go to biceps, you know, or quads. I mean, I used to squat Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Yeah. You know, that's how we used to just, you know, cuz I took second place in a contest and they said your legs just weren't in proportion with your upper body.

[00:13:05] Tower: That's all it takes. Right. And I said, okay, I, I'm never gonna lose a contest because my legs aren't in proportion. So I started, I implemented Monday, Wednesday, Friday squats no matter what. And you know, I did that for over a year and just my legs end up being like 44 inches at one point. You know, so, oh God.

[00:13:19] Tower: So you had to

[00:13:19] Lori: adjust your training, obviously. Yes. Yes. And what about your eating?

[00:13:22] Tower: Um, I mean, today, I mean, I still consume between 10 and 12,000 calories a day. I was,

[00:13:28] Lori: that was one of my questions. I was like, this dude is big. Okay, so how many calories a day does he have to intake to keep this size?

[00:13:37] Tower: See, right now I'm, I'm about 2 98 right now.

[00:13:40] Tower: Okay. Okay. And, um, I'm down, I was up three 15, but that was holiday bs food and drinking of course. Fun and stuff like that. Fun stuff. Yeah. So I'm down two, uh, 2 98 right now. Um, but I'm still consuming between 10,000 calories a day. Um, what

[00:13:54] Lori: would happen if you do, what would happen? Once you start kind of going down to maybe 8,000, do you actually lose a lot of size very quickly now at your age or no?

[00:14:03] Lori: No. Okay.

[00:14:04] Tower: No, I don't lose the size. It's, it's that fat that just doesn't come off as fast. God, I mean, right. It's the extra stuff back here. It's just, yeah. Yeah. I carried in my face, you know, the first place that I, you know, my wife notices all the time, she goes, oh my God, you're getting

[00:14:17] Lori: heavy. So I wasn't gonna go into this until later, but we're already here, so let's just finish this.

[00:14:22] Lori: And that is, um, like for instance, I'm starting to take peptides for any kind of anti-aging, to hold some muscle for skin. I mean, obviously, I don't know if you believe in peptides. I didn't. Truly too much in the very beginning, but I guess they're getting a little bit better. Like, I take pep, uh, I take some peptides for like a, a skin type of thing, and it mm-hmm.

[00:14:42] Lori: It like creates collagen from the inside. And then there's the peptides that help create, uh, stimulate your own growth hormone. I mean, do you believe in any kind of peptides or anything

[00:14:52] Tower: like that? I mean, they are, you're, you're, you're on the, you're on the right track. I mean, that is like the latest, greatest thing.

[00:14:58] Tower: Yeah. I just don't know enough about it yet. Okay. I mean, um, talking to my coach, you know, and, and I know he's mentioned several things. There's the, uh, the, I think the PC. 500 for, for he's, you know, for injury. So anyway, I'm gonna start, I want to try that cuz I have a, I need a shoulder, a shoulder surgery, and a bicep sur surgery.

[00:15:16] Tower: And I'm trying to avoid that. Talk

[00:15:17] Lori: to Nitro. He's like peptide Mr. Mr. Peptide right now. He's sent me a link right now. My god. He, he even told me, he goes, I'm like a pen cushion. Yeah. You know, and I'm just like that I couldn't do, but yeah, he's like all about peptides and he actually kind of turned me onto him again.

[00:15:29] Lori: Mm-hmm. Believe it or not. Um, I was turned onto him maybe 10 years ago and I was just like, eh. But now I, what I started doing probably 10 years ago is just, I kind of dabbled a little bit in hgh, which just to let everybody know it's not a steroid. It's a human growth hormone that we all have naturally in our bodies.

[00:15:48] Lori: And doesn't it start dying at 30. We start dying at 30. Yeah. So, I mean, as long as you go to your physician, I mean, and things like that. But what do you believe in that? I mean, how is

[00:15:59] Tower: that? Well, I mean, I'm all for being healthy overall. Mm-hmm. You know, and I mean, I'd like to think that at 60, I'm, I'm pretty dog unhealthy.

[00:16:07] Tower: Um, you know, I, I go to them, my doctor regularly, I get blood drawn three times a year and I mean, consistently. Um, I'm all for testosterone therapy. Mm-hmm. You know, for in men, um, you know, men quite certain you guys need it just like we need it. Women go through menopause, men go through menopause. Yeah. Um, it's called low T.

[00:16:23] Tower: Yeah. You know, and so many men's egos are so big that they, they, no, I don't have a problem. They think it's all about their libido and their erections or whatever you, I heard you guys don't

[00:16:33] Lori: talk about it. I mean, women talk about menopause. I have a problem talking about it. Women talk about menopause all day long.

[00:16:38] Lori: Yeah. But men, apparently they don't talk about the low T and Right. What happens and they start. Uh, menopause or there's a, there's a word

[00:16:45] Tower: for it and I forgot. Yeah. So I mean, I, I'm all for that because listen, if I can feel better Yeah. You know, in overall, yeah. I mean, I'm gonna do what it takes to do that.

[00:16:54] Tower: And there's nothing wrong with testosterone therapy. Mm-hmm. 250 milligrams once a week, um, you know, is, is therapeutically healthy for you? 100%

[00:17:03] Lori: because of the fact that we, we lose that as we get older. Yeah. I tell women all the time, I mean, there's so many women that go, they're like going through menopause, they're gaining weight, they're having hot flashes.

[00:17:12] Lori: I'm like, why? You don't need to go through this. You can do hormone therapy. And, and they're so afraid of cancers. And I was like, listen, I went to and ask all the questions. Ob, g y N. What's a cancer like? What's this if I take over? As long as you're balanced. Yep. You're good.

[00:17:27] Tower: Yeah. Women, women have great stuff.

[00:17:30] Tower: The biodentical, um, stuff right now Yeah. Is phenomenal for women. Yep. You know, the progesterone, the estrogen, and the testosterone, those three are the key three key levels for women. Yeah. Men. 100%. You know, men, you gotta keep your estrogen down and your testosterone not correct. And the thing is that what happens when men, when they start getting sluggish, their estrogen levels are, are super high.

[00:17:49] Tower: Interesting. They start getting ma boobs, they start getting I've heard of that. Yeah. Yeah. They start getting the fat along the sides. We used to call 'em bitch tits. Yeah. Well no bitch tit is a little bit different. Oh, that's right. That's from, that's a gyne. The gyne acidity is from, um, you know, from too much, um, um, hormones.

[00:18:06] Tower: Right. Um, that build up in it looks like a, a nipple. Yeah, you're right. That's right. That's right. But, um, man, boobs are, they just get saggy boobs where the men's kind of fold over their boobs. A man

[00:18:14] Lori: is that when people, when you see, you see an older man outside and all of a sudden they're boobs kind of like, yeah, it's

[00:18:19] Tower: a nabu.

[00:18:19] Tower: Because their estrogen level's so high, they're losing the muscle. They're lose losing the muscle. That's sad. It is. And all it takes, if it just a matter of taking a, a supplement Yeah. Whether, you know, an injection or it's a cream or a implant, a pellet to help them. There's so many different things that, and then you're gonna feel better.

[00:18:37] Tower: I mean, I mean, I, I mean, quite frankly, at 60, I mean, I feel like I'm 30 again because I've got the spring of my step again. I do too.

[00:18:44] Lori: I do too. A hundred percent. I mean, I've been taking hormone therapy now for over 10, 15 years. Yeah. And, um, I, I tell everybody about it because it's, it's important. It's, it's quality of life.

[00:18:54] Lori: Yeah. There you go. It's literally quality. And I,

[00:18:56] Tower: I think he gets such a bad rap, Lori, because, you know, they think, oh my gosh, he's on, he's on, he's on on steroid. No, no, we're not. No, I'm on a therap therapeutic dose. Yeah. Okay. You know, I don't want, I mean, I still have all my hair. I still have, you know, you got a, you got a good

[00:19:12] Lori: head of hair, speaking of which,

[00:19:13] Tower: yeah.

[00:19:13] Tower: Also, I mean, I've never, I've never abused that side of it, you know, in this sport. Yeah. Because it can be, it can be very abusive. 100%. You know, and that's the part Lor, when you asked me if I ever wanted to turn pro back then, I didn't wanna do what it took, cuz I knew what it was gonna take a lot.

[00:19:27] Lori: It, it was gonna take you a lot.

[00:19:29] Lori: And

[00:19:29] Tower: I just didn't want to do that because I knew that I had other dreams of, of doing other things and bodybuilder just wasn't my, my cup of tea at

[00:19:37] Lori: the time. I think it shortens your life there, there it shortens your life. So many, unfortunately, so many bodybuilders that I know men. Abuse the steroids.

[00:19:46] Lori: And unfortunately they had had heart attacks on the basketball court. Yeah. And it's just, it just sorted their life, you know? Yeah. And I heard, I always heard the term. I know you heard it. Oh, well, I'll die pretty. I never understood that. Now it is just like, you guys are idiots. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But, um, so let's get into the gladiators just a little bit.

[00:20:03] Lori: So how was it actually coming into an already established team? It was tough. I mean, what did you have to overcome? How were the attitudes? I mean, because you're a big guy, what was

[00:20:17] Coming into an established Gladiator Team

[00:20:17] Tower: it like? It was tough, Lori, because, I mean, not only was I coming in as an established team, but I was coming in after one of your teammates went down.

[00:20:24] Tower: Yeah, that's true. You know, so it's like, yeah. And so it's like, yes, I wanted to get that opportunity, but in order for me to get that opportunity, someone had to go down. So it was kind of like a double edged sword there. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like I felt I was on set. People, you know, I know that Galen and I have had this talk that he always felt like I was waiting for someone to go get hurt.

[00:20:43] Tower: And that wasn't the case at all. You were, I'm kidding.

[00:20:47] Lori: I would've been like, come on. Damn it.

[00:20:50] Tower: No, no, I'm kidding. So, so it was tough because I had, I had big shoes to feel because Turbo was a phenomenal gladiator. Right. I mean, he was a different type of glad he was, he was a little bit smaller than all of us.

[00:20:59] Tower: Mm-hmm. But he was very athletic fast. He was fast. Yeah. And he was very athletic. Yeah. So, yeah. So I had big shoes to fill and, uh, not, um, Not, uh, uh, put down my athleticism, but it was, you know, at the time I, I was 300 pounds when I did the show. Mm-hmm. So I felt I moved pretty good, but it just was like real fast.

[00:21:16] Tower: Just everything was just happened, you know? Yeah. When we film, we filmed two shows and in 13, you know, in 13 days, and Oh my god. It was brutal. It was brutal. Yeah. But I'll never forget the, my first day of filming, um, you know, we were over on the, the, the Mary Tyler Moore studios. Mm-hmm. And this back when, uh, we had like, our own dressing rooms.

[00:21:33] Tower: And, and I remember they knocked on my door and said, Hey Tower, we need you on set. I was like, my first, first day. And I remember walking out and I ran right into Arnold Schwartzer.

[00:21:41] Lori: Yeah, I remember hearing about that. That was awesome. And

[00:21:45] Tower: he looked at me and I, and I happened to

[00:21:46] Lori: be on a Wait, you went like this?

[00:21:48] Lori: He looked at me. Is he that much shorter than you? No,

[00:21:51] Tower: I was like, I was like, kinda like saying I'm sorry sir, you know, but um, and I was on the cover of, of a muscular development that, that month. And so I was the cover and he was down in the corner for total recall. And he looked at me, he says, uh, you're that big guy on the cover.

[00:22:05] Tower: He goes, you look good. He goes, come to my dressing room. And I looked at him and I says, and I looked at the set, I says, Arnold, I said, they need me on set. He goes, oh, go, go. Yeah, go. He goes, come back when you're done. Sweet. So, I mean, so the whole time I'm out there, my first day I'm thinking, I just ran an Arnold.

[00:22:20] Tower: Yeah. He wants me to come over to his dressing room and, and so long story short, I go over there and I knock on the store and he invites me in and he starts talking to me about life. And he goes, no money in body building, none. He goes, get out. He goes, become a household name.

[00:22:35] Lori: Yeah. That's awesome. That was good advice.

[00:22:37] Lori: And

[00:22:37] Tower: I didn't understand it at the time, Lori, you know, because our show was was third season. Second season. Third season, yeah. It kind of was like, eh, it was right there at the, at the teetering point. And, but after the fifth six year seasons, I realized what he said, what he meant. Become a household name.

[00:22:51] Tower: Right. You know, forget the body building show

[00:22:54] Lori: cut. It did. It took off. It really did. It did.

[00:22:57] Tower: The fifth year, I remember it was the fifth year high gear and the whole campaign and pushed for that and Yep.

[00:23:02] Lori: Exactly. Now what were your, um, thoughts about the tour? When we went on tour? I mean, we had 106 cities uhhuh.

[00:23:08] Lori: Now, did were you in the very beginning of the tour? Did you, I missed

[00:23:11] Tower: you come in. I missed, I missed I think 19 cities or 20 cities.

[00:23:14] Lori: Okay. So maybe the first. What, three weeks because it was like every, we had a, every city, I mean, every day we had a mm-hmm. I remember getting on the bus and getting on the plane going to Thet.

[00:23:24] Lori: Its, everybody was like, Woohoo. Yeah. We were all excited. And I always say this story, by the end of it, we were like, oh, fuck this. Yeah. You know?

[00:23:32] Tower: No, I, I actually, I, it was a, the tour for me, a life experience that I'll, that I'll, I could never, you can never pay for experience. I mean, we experienced. A lot of light.

[00:23:42] Tower: We were rock stars. We were, we would roll into a city and people would be following us. Yeah. You remember we had our jackets and, and you know, and our leather jackets and people would be like, oh my god. Yeah. You know? So yeah, it was, we were living a life of rock stars.

[00:23:55] Lori: Was there a highlight for you on the, on the tour?

[00:23:58] Lori: Was there something that kind of stands out that you remember? Or was it just all just super cool? I

[00:24:04] Tower: mean, I mean, I mean, a highlight for me was just, and it's not really a, um, um, I mean I remember when I shattered my nose, I dunno if you remember that, in Murphy's, Bri, Tennessee. Oh God, that's right. And I remember them taking me to the emergency that night, and I mean, I, both my eyes were swollen shut.

[00:24:17] Tower: And I remember them going into this, This hospital and it was like a doctor and a nurse in this hospital and that was all that was in there. And this guy is at, they're asking me who my nearest next to kin is. Oh my God. You're like, wait a minute,

[00:24:29] Lori: this is not good.

[00:24:29] Tower: Yeah. I said, no, you guys aren't gonna operate.

[00:24:31] Tower: You're not gonna do anything on me right now. Just pack it full of stuff. And I said, I'll get. When I get back to la I'll go to my, my, uh, a plastic surgeon in, in la Yeah. But that was like, just something that's always stood out in my mind that like, we were in Murphysboro, Tennessee and they wanted to operate on my nose.

[00:24:46] Lori: You're like, absolutely

[00:24:47] Tower: not. Right. And he's probably a veterinarian or something filling in at the hospital. Exactly.

[00:24:54] Lori: I got it. Yeah.

[00:24:56] Tower: I'm on call tonight. Sorry. I know, right. But, uh, yeah. But other than that, I mean, just, I mean we, we, I loved what we did, um, as a team where we always, uh, the, the fun times we had on the bus, it

[00:25:07] Lori: was the bus.

[00:25:09] Lori: I always tell the stories on the bus. Yeah. Like you guys in the front of the bus. You were in the front of the bus all the time. Yeah. Well, you

[00:25:14] Tower: guys were always in the back, so we never,

[00:25:15] Lori: well, well, we had to split it up somehow. I mean, how many gladi years were on the bus? I mean, plus, Plus. Plus our manager, plus our trainer, Uhhuh and Adam Lee, the host Adam Lee.

[00:25:26] Lori: So yeah, 13, 15, 15. Sometimes, you know, that's a lot of people. So yeah, you had to split up. There was like the front of the bus where you guys were like partying and drinking. And I always tell a story, it's like, you know, the music was playing and then we have the girls in the back and we were either watching television or, or doing something back there.

[00:25:42] Lori: Right. But we tried to split it up somehow some way.

[00:25:45] Tower: Yeah, it was, it was a great time because I mean, we all got along. Yeah. I mean, we had our biffs every once in a while. Come

[00:25:50] Lori: on. We had some drama. There was some

[00:25:51] Tower: drama, there was some drama going on. But for the most part, we, you know, we were just, you know, going through a time where we, you know, we were, I mean, we were hurt, we were tired.

[00:25:59] Tower: Yeah. You know, and, you know, I just remember crawling to my bunk all the time, you know, packing my elbows. How did you fit in that bunk? I didn't, I was like, I laid on my side and my shoulder hit because whoa,

[00:26:09] Lori: they're like that, you

[00:26:11] Tower: know? And, uh, and I just remember, you know, uh, you know, always, uh, I mean those, like, like Nitro and Gemini were always up front drinking.

[00:26:17] Tower: And then I remember laser and I, we, we tried to, when we first started to tour, we had, remember we had our, our pots and pans and we were determined that we were gonna cook the whole time and eat

[00:26:27] Lori: healthy. Oh yeah. Oh

[00:26:28] Tower: yeah. Oh yeah. And, uh, I think that lasted about a week. Oh God. Right. Because we just got tired of lugging the stuff in and out every night.

[00:26:34] Lori: Okay. So I haven't talked about this before, but I do remember were you. Were you around when, um, Jim and I in Nitro, they were like, we found out that they were kind of heading up the whole tour with Fish Off and they were making their own little sweet little deals, and then we all found out they were like, making more money.

[00:26:53] Lori: Yeah. And, and we were just like, what the fuck? Yeah. You know, it's just like that's the kind of little drama that's so funny that nobody really talks about, but it was there. Yeah. You know, kind of

[00:27:05] Tower: thing. Yeah. It was, it was always, we always called it the Nitro show. Yes. In the Nitro, you know, and listen, we say that in love and fun.

[00:27:12] Tower: Oh, no doubt. No doubt what I mean. Because, you know, you gotta love Dan's tenacity and his drive and you know, he would

[00:27:17] Lori: call to Nitro show. Exactly.

[00:27:20] Tower: But, um, yeah, I mean, I remember that drama, but you know something, I didn't care. Yeah. I really didn't care because we were making, well, I mean like almost four grand a week,

[00:27:28] Lori: something like that.

[00:27:29] Lori: Yeah. I was making 10. I'm kidding.

[00:27:34] Lori: But you're like, oh, it was the ice show.

[00:27:36] Tower: Yeah. No, but you know, our expenses were paid where, how many cities we were in. Uh, yeah. I met a ex-wife on there, you know,

[00:27:43] Lori: speaking we, did you ever date any gladiators hook up with them or contenders throughout your

[00:27:49] Tower: Never, never, uh, hooked up with the gladiators, um, okay.

[00:27:52] Tower: On a show. Um, but, um, you know, I did, I did meet my, uh, a wife, you know, from tour and I remember Was she a contender? She was a contender In No Way in Texas. Oh, that's awesome. And, uh, but, uh, the, um, I remember, um, uh, Guy from Poison, um, Brett Michaels. I was good. I used to train him and we were, we used to train him.

[00:28:11] Tower: Oh wow. That's cool. Together. And I remember him telling me before I went on tour, he goes, enjoy the tour. He goes, but don't bring the tour home.

[00:28:19] Lori: Oh my God, what great advice. That's

[00:28:21] so

[00:28:21] Tower: funny. Have fun. And then I remember coming home with, with my, you know, my ex, right? And he was like, what'd I tell

[00:28:27] Lori: you? Don't bring the do home.

[00:28:28] Lori: You're like, well,

[00:28:29] Tower: yeah. So, um, but that was, uh, that was fun. But we, you know, we had, just remember like laser and I renting a motor home with us, following the tour buses all through Southern California. Well, remember

[00:28:39] Lori: when Billy and his Wifed Thunder? Yep. Uh oh. Kathy, I don't think it was his wife. I don't know if they were married or not, but they followed us the entire time because, They didn't wanna be on the bus and they were like cooking and doing all their own

[00:28:50] Tower: thing.

[00:28:51] Tower: Yeah. They were in a van, I remember. Yeah. Like a conversion van. Yeah.

[00:28:54] Lori: How was it driving an RV and following us for a while? Was that crazy? We

[00:28:57] Tower: really didn't follow the bus. Bus. We just knew what city, like San I gotcha. We were in San Diego and we had to go just like Sacramento. Okay. We just, we just, we were up there.

[00:29:04] Lori: See, that's awesome. And I never knew that. You

[00:29:06] Tower: never really, no. I remember Nicho and I missing the, uh, missing the bus in, in, uh, Phoenix, Arizona. You know, that's a whole nother episode. Right.

[00:29:16] Lori: Why did you miss it? Let's talk about that.

[00:29:21] Tower: I was having, we were having fun like Brett said. Oh my god. No, it was, it was some

[00:29:25] Lori: good times.

[00:29:26] Lori: So we were partying and hooking up and having a good time. Yeah. Before you met your wife. Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah.

[00:29:30] Tower: I think everybody, my wife knows. My wife knows. I mean, it's the past.

[00:29:33] Lori: Exactly. And it's fun to talk about it. I mean, yeah. And she laughs about it. So what was the, uh, let's say either celebrity slash athlete, like the, one of the highest.

[00:29:45] Lori: Um, coolest celebrity or athlete that you met while we were doing gladiators? Well,

[00:29:49] Tower: I mean, I had, uh, the privilege to be part of the planet Hollywood, uh, um, grand opening series, you know, throughout the United States and Nice. I remember that. So I was able to, you know, be a part of a lot of planet Hollywood grand openings in Hawaii and, um, you know, San Diego and Dallas and wherever, you know, and hanging out with Arnold Sylvester.

[00:30:11] Tower: Okay. Bruce and Demi. To me, it was just like, Ooh, how was Demi? Oh, sexy.

[00:30:15] Lori: Really? Oh, sexy. Yeah. Oh, I can only Ima I mean, her voice is just like, uh, yeah.

[00:30:20] Tower: I mean, she's one of this woman that you just look at and you're, you're, you're just, you're hot, you're sexy. Yeah. You know, and, and you're classy.

[00:30:26] Lori: And she's still hot and sexy.

[00:30:28] Lori: Yeah. At her age today. Yeah. Yeah. Bruce, Bruce is okay. Bruce is aged a little

[00:30:32] Tower: bit, but, um, but I mean, Maria was just, Maria was Maria. I mean, she's very beautiful woman. Right. Just naturally beautiful. And that is so fun. I'll never forget when we were in, um, in Maui, Arnold and I, we were, we were messing around.

[00:30:44] Tower: I mean, he, cuz he's a total prankster. Jokester Really? Oh, big time. And he and I were talking and, um, and matter of fact, I can, I can send you a picture for that of Arnold and I and Maria. I'd like that. And uh, so we were sitting there and we're talking and all of a sudden he goes, ah, Maria, what are you doing?

[00:31:00] Tower: And she's like, grabbing into his bicep. And she looks at him, she goes, Aren't you gonna introduce us? Ah, oh, he looks at me and he looks at her and he goes, ah, he knows who you are. No, he's absolutely right. I know who she is. Yeah,

[00:31:13] Lori: exactly. She wanted to know who you

[00:31:15] Tower: were. Right. So, but it just, you know, he just, he's just . Funny.

[00:31:18] Tower: He's, but I think that was the biggest, um, one of the, and the other thing that I think that I had the privilege, um, of being, you know, part of is the, the, uh, make-A-Wish foundation.

[00:31:27] Lori: Yeah, I heard about that. That's, that's

[00:31:28] Tower: amazing story too. I think, uh, you know, when, uh, someone's dying and their last wish is to meet me, and I think to myself, why me?

[00:31:36] Tower: Hey, you know.

[00:31:38] Lori: Okay. So on. I mean, think about the, though, our show was a number one hit, iconic show at the nineties, Steve. Yeah. We were, we were big. We just didn't know really how big we, we kind of had a, a, a little ink inkling of how big we were at the time, but we were big. Right. You know, and I, we, we talk about like being superheroes all the time.

[00:31:58] Lori: We were to a lot of people. Yeah. So you were to that little kid you were that. Superhero. You were a live superhero. Yeah. You know, that he could actually see and touch and I mean, that's just fucking awesome. Yeah.

[00:32:10] Tower: Yeah. And that to me is just a. That's a legacy. Yeah. That I want, you know, people to remember me by is Absolutely.

[00:32:18] Tower: You know, not, you know, it doesn't matter about Tower or how many TV shows I've been at or how many commercials I've done, that means nothing. It's what I've done, you know, um, with my fame or my stardom or whatever you want to call

[00:32:30] Lori: it. Or I always say we get, we had like, we had like 30 minutes of fame. You know how there is like a five minute fame kind of thing.

[00:32:37] Lori: There's we five, we had 30, we had 30 because we were like, what, eight, nine years? Yeah. You know? Yeah.

[00:32:42] Tower: Yeah. But, you know, but it it, it is funny though, Lori, how iconic of a show it was 33 years ago. Yeah. Okay. I mean, my wife and I, we were out at and Mastros down in Malibu this summer for her birthday. And we were, it was a packed bar and we were waiting for our table and we were standing at the bar, we're getting a cocktail before dinner.

[00:32:59] Tower: And you just, it was filled with these guys. There was, um, uh, SE was playing and they were all down a bunch of college guys and. You know, someone's just staring at you and you Oh, yeah. And you're like, and you just wanna say, what's up? Yeah. What's up? Right. You know, so they called my name, and then, then they, and they go, all right, who'd you play for?

[00:33:17] Tower: I go, oh, they thought you're a big old football player. Yeah. I said, I, I didn't play. And he goes, no, no, no. He goes, who'd you fucking play for? Yeah. I said, ah, I didn't, I didn't play. He goes, come on. And I said, all right, do you remember a show called The American Gladiators? He goes, oh, I fucking knew it. Yep, yep.

[00:33:31] Tower: He goes, he goes, which one were you? I said, T. He goes, oh my God. Yeah. You know? And next thing you know, the whole borrower is like uproaring about this. And they're taking one pictures and, and there's my wife. She's like, oh my God, I don't believe this. There's a bunch of boys, kids, you know, boys. But it's so cool, you know?

[00:33:46] Tower: And but to show you that it's just 33 years

[00:33:50] Lori: later. Yeah. 30. I mean, you look amazing too. You look almost exactly like you did during your Gladys. I mean, we all have like little, you know, things or, but no, seriously, you look awesome. Oh, thank you. And so yes, people are gonna recognize you. Yeah. You know, you know,

[00:34:06] Tower: and, and that's why that's I'm excited to see what this documentary Oh yeah.

[00:34:10] Tower: Is, you know what I mean? Talking to Tony, um, our director, he says, Steve, he goes, be prepared for 40 million people to tune into the first episode. Yeah. 40 million people, Laurie. I

[00:34:19] Lori: know, I know, I know. We're gonna be relevant for another like 30 days. We're 15 minutes now. I know. Exactly. Woohoo. Okay. What can we do in 15 days?

[00:34:32] Lori: Yeah.

[00:34:33] Tower: But it's a lot different now, Lori. Yeah. Instagram, Facebook, social media. I mean, can you

[00:34:38] Lori: imagine what we would've been like back then if we had all these things today? But then again, would we be. I mean, because now, uh, we were talking about the other day when you were a celebrity back then and you were on television, you were a celebrity.

[00:34:54] Lori: Mm-hmm. Okay. Now, I mean, I can look in JLo's Closet. Yeah. I can look in, you know, whoever I, I'm following and I can look inside their life and it's kind of like if I saw 'em on the street, I'd be like, oh, that's kind of cool. But it wouldn't be like it was back then when we were on television, like, oh, oh shit, look who that is.

[00:35:14] Lori: You know? So, I don't know. It's kind of diluted.

[00:35:17] Tower: It, it is. Because I think the more accessible you are to people Yeah. Whether it's physically or, you know, virtually. I think people just kind of nonchalantly go take it for granted. Yeah. Versus like, when we, the only tough chance you got to see us was when you saw us on TV or at a personal appearance.

[00:35:32] Tower: Right. Okay. Exactly. So those were the two outlets for people to actually touch, feel, and see us. Yep. But now you're right. Whenever, I think whenever you have such a easy exposure of mm-hmm. Something people are like, ah, that's, it's, it's only, it's a big deal. It's only JLo or it's only, you know. Yeah. You know, but I still

[00:35:50] Lori: think it's, however, I did see JLo in, in, I, I was at my doctor's office and it was in Culver City, Uhhuh, and I saw her outta the corner of my eye and she was with two other people, and we were going up the elevator together.

[00:36:01] Lori: In my head, I'm like, holy fuck, that's JLo. Oh my god, that's JLo. And I was like, Do I, do I introduce myself? I was like going through my head and I was like, no, don't bother, don't bother. But it was just like, I was in the same elevator with her. I was like, so cool.

[00:36:14] Tower: Oh, J Lo is huge. Yo, come on. Yeah, I know, I know.

[00:36:17] Tower: Yeah. But, uh, yeah, so I think, I think this, this documentary is gonna be, it's gonna be huge. I think it is gonna be huge, you know? And I think, uh, I think that, uh, it's gonna take all the people that watched us and it's gonna be a new generation also. Right. That, you know, because it's funny when you talk to the younger people, they say, well, my parents told me about this show.

[00:36:38] Tower: I always go like

[00:36:39] Lori: this, go on YouTube, right?

[00:36:41] Tower: Just Google it. Just Googling.

[00:36:42] Lori: Go on YouTube and use, watch what we did,

[00:36:44] Tower: you know? I said, but be careful what you see on there. Yeah.

[00:36:49] Lori: Everything you read. There was a couple young kids in the gym last night when I was training, and he goes, uh, he goes, oh, I was flipping through YouTube and I saw some kind of like, Uh, weird kind of like gauntlet type thing.

[00:37:00] Lori: Was that you? And I was just like laughing, going, oh my God, it's, and he was, he's like 15, you know, 15 or 16 years old, and it's just like, so funny. But yeah, it's the, I think we're gonna be, I think we're gonna have the relevancy again for another 15 to 30 days maybe, hopefully longer to be kind of cool. Um, so when, when you were doing the gladiators, where are the coolest place you got to travel to?

[00:37:23] Coolest things

[00:37:23] Tower: Um, Tokyo. Okay. Yeah, Tokyo was fun. Um, you did the bang, bang thing, didn't you? No, we did, uh, we did, Tokyo 12 TV station. Oh, okay. Yeah. Jim and I came in and we, uh, they then we, we explained what was, what we were doing, and they converted it into, in Japanese. Um, that was really a, a neat, a neat trip.

[00:37:41] Tower: And I, I think also I was in London one time for, and that was a, um, and it was, it was before the, the u uh, UK Gladi years, uh, was even popular. Oh yeah. So, um, but yeah, Tokyo was fun.

[00:37:51] Lori: Tokyo was one of the

[00:37:52] Tower: highlights. Yeah. Yeah. How about you?

[00:37:56] Lori: I would say, actually, God, I didn't get to go to Tokyo. I gave that one away to Shannon, believe it or not.

[00:38:02] Lori: No, it was just Jim and I. Either that one, well, no, there was another one. They sent some Gladiator just to Japan and they had their own gladiator type show and it was called Bang, bang, bang. Oh yeah. Okay. I just didn't wanna be on a plane for 15, 18 hours. I forgot what it was. Yeah. But I was just like, uh, I don't really wanna do that.

[00:38:17] Lori: Um, London, London, England, I mean, all of that. Seeing the castles. Yeah. And then getting to go over to Cannes. I saw Cannes, south of France was beautiful. Oh my God. And then, um, Monaco. Um, so traveling up through there, that was probably one of my highlights. Yeah. But you know, it's ki what's so cool about it is we would've never had these experiences and traveled like this if we were never gladiators.

[00:38:39] Lori: Right. What would your life do you think would've been like if you weren't a gladiator

[00:38:42] Tower: Boy? I don't know. I mean, would I have stayed in California? I don't know. Would you have, I mean, I'd like to think I would've, but, uh, or would

[00:38:48] Lori: you have went hunt and been a farm boy? No,

[00:38:51] Tower: but you know what, the bizarre thing about it is all these places that we were able to travel to, you know, like, um, my wife Terry today, like when we go there, she goes, oh, I said, I've been here.

[00:39:00] Tower: She goes, what'd you do? I says, I didn't get a chance to do a lot because I was always working. Right. You know? So like when you go into like Tokyo, they, you know, drop you off the hotel and you have a little bit downtime, but then they're, they're, they're shuffling you back and forth to, the venue.

[00:39:12] Tower: Right? Exactly. Or, you know, remember we went up to, um, uh, remember I think you and I and, and Diamond and um, saber went up to, uh, Toronto, remember to the, um, oh yeah, that's right. And um, again, we didn't get to see the city of Toronto. No. We went, went from the theme park to our hotel. Yep. And back to the theme park.

[00:39:29] Tower: Exactly. So we, we really never had a chance to enjoy the scenery mm-hmm. Of our, you know, of, of experiencing any culture or anything like that, of the, of the country.

[00:39:37] Lori: Same thing on the tour. I mean, we went to 106 and we really never got to see anything. You know what it, it opened my eyes to, oh my God, every city in the United States has kind of built the same.

[00:39:47] Lori: Really? It did open my eyes to that. I was like, oh, okay. So I, I totally get this now how they planned. And it's like city, city mapping, you know? Yeah. But you're right. We never got to actually see a lot. I mean, I've

[00:39:57] Tower: been a lot of places. Yeah, exactly. But I haven't really had a chance to enjoy. So, um, but I think, did you know that, uh, on the tour, that late at night, that when you guys were probably all sleeping, that I used to go up with Gator and I used, he used to let me drive.

[00:40:09] Tower: No way.

[00:40:10] Lori: Uhhuh. Wait. He had to have, because I remember you took over the driving of the bus a couple times, Uhhuh, and we were all freaked out about that. We were like, no, he, what?

[00:40:17] Tower: What? Yeah. So we're, you know, we going down interstate 10 going through, you know, Texas? Yeah. And it's just a straight highway. Oh, that's cool.

[00:40:24] Tower: You know, he'd put it on cruise control. He'd get out, I'd hold the steering, I'd sit down and, and he'd go back over the bathroom and, you know,

[00:40:30] Lori: I drove one of those, by the way, 30 foot thir, I don't know how long they get, but I was supposed to 44. Okay. I think, uh, when I moved from Florida to California, it was like a 30 foot foot something.

[00:40:41] Lori: They're scary as shit to drive. I mean, a big semi goes past you and you're like, whoa. Yeah. And I kept thinking, okay, if these 75 year old men on the highway can drive these, I can drive these. Oh yeah. They're dead inside, so they're not fearful, you know?

[00:40:57] Lori: Okay. So when you were like in the height of your career, Was there anything that you wanted to do? A height of gladiators, you were like on top of the world? Was there something you go, okay, this is what I wanna do next. This is where I wanna go.

[00:41:13] Tower: I wanted to kind of follow in Arnold's footstep. I wanted to be the next.

[00:41:17] Tower: I guess, um, superhero or slash big guy on the screen. Okay. That was kind of my, my, my goal or dream right. To do, to do that. And, um, I mean, I had a couple opportunities where, you know, I was starting a couple, I launched a Warner Brothers Network, a show called Muscle. I remember that. That's so cool. And, um, you know, did a couple, you know, low, low grade movies as we all did, you know, and, uh, didn't make a ton of money, but, um, and then it just, it just never happened.

[00:41:44] Lori: I, I feel you on this one. It was like everything that I, I tried to do, like, okay, this is it. Okay, this is it. All of a sudden it went, ah-huh. Yeah. I was like, okay, that wasn't it. You know? Next,

[00:41:55] Tower: keep moving, keep moving. Well, I don't know about you, Lori, but my entire life is, is I've never had a plan for anything.

[00:42:01] Tower: Never had a script or never had, I didn't go to college. Are you my

[00:42:06] Lori: brother? Is this what happened? I mean, I was exact same way.

[00:42:09] Yeah.

[00:42:09] Tower: You know, and, and, and I remember just coming out here. I, I mean, I'm a wininger. I, I wing it. Yep. Yep. You know, and, um, so if it didn't happen, I just went on to the next thing

[00:42:17] Lori: you know.

[00:42:18] Lori: Yeah. It's interesting you say that. Cause it's exactly, I mean, I never had that. I, I didn't have my parents to where they, they, they molded me and pushed me in a certain area. So yes, it was like, okay, what's next? You know? And I knew doors were gonna open, which is interesting. In the back of my mind, I always knew something because of, i, I always working towards something a door was gonna open.

[00:42:37] Lori: Right. And I just, you had to, you had to see it though. That was the other thing that was really interesting. I was the same way. I wanted to be an action hero. I wanted to be the next, like Angelina Jolie. We could have been in a movie together. We should just have somebody write it for us right now. I mean,

[00:42:53] Tower: you know, one of the things is that, I mean, that the Gladi did allow me to do is, is I remember waking up one morning saying, okay, I want to have.

[00:43:00] Tower: $30,000 of passive income coming in every month. Wow. That was, that was, that's pretty aggressive. So, I mean, this is the late nineties, you know. Okay. And, uh, so I worked real hard to make that happen and then happen. Okay. I mean, so you mean through endorsements right? You know, through metrics, through Justin Boot company.

[00:43:17] Tower: I mean, I'm a, a gladiator bodybuilder and I'm endorsing a Country

[00:43:20] Lori: Butte boot. Okay. Wait a minute. So you're telling me that when you were a gladiator you were endorsing metrics Justin boots. Okay. So see that was my b I was gonna ha I was gonna ask you one other question is what obstacles did you hit when you were doing gladiators?

[00:43:35] Lori: And I know what mine was, but you just answered something that, I don't know how you did that because they wanted tower, the American Gladiators as seen.

[00:43:45] Tower: How did that work? I just, just did as scene

[00:43:47] Lori: on Okay. As seen. What does that mean As

[00:43:51] Tower: seen on American Gladiators?

[00:43:53] Lori: Not Okay. As seen on American. Glad. So you didn't wear your uniform?

[00:43:57] Lori: Nope. Okay. Nope. But they got to use your name. Yep. Because I trademarked my name. Did Gladiators really give a shit

[00:44:04] Tower: about that? Um, it never came up. Okay. It never came up. But yeah. So I mean, Justin Boot, uh, um, you remember all those Neoprine elbow pads? Yeah. With the Remember saved us off from Ru Turf. Yeah.

[00:44:16] Lori: It's awesome

[00:44:17] Tower: for you. I mean, they, they were paying me $20,000 a year for those. Um, that's awesome. And they said, they all, they asked me, I said, could you get these, the other gladiators to wear 'em? I says, hell yeah.

[00:44:28] Lori: So here we were endorsing your damn product and we didn't even know it.

[00:44:31] Tower: I remember, I remember walking out, you know how I used to go up to Hank Tough and the camera behind you?

[00:44:35] Tower: And I remember going up there and having my elbow pad, you know, on my arm. Like I said, I remember reaching to and just pulling it up and the Force 10 would be there. Those guys were just like, just, you know what? That's awesome. You know, just loving it. Good for you. You know? So I figured out ways that, because I knew that the money wasn't always gonna be there.

[00:44:52] Tower: Right. You know, as, and we all know, right? And uh, so I just tried to think outside the box a little bit, you know, and utilize what we, we didn't have again, the power of the internet or anything like that. So no, it was all phone call writing letters. Right. I mean, that's how I got the Justin boot contract. I mean, I mean they, wow.

[00:45:07] Tower: They were paying big money for me to wear their boots. See? That's amazing. Um, so. That's, um, I think one of the benefits of, of the show.

[00:45:17] Lori: Yeah. You were smart. A lot of, a lot of gladiators. I mean, including myself, I didn't even think about going as in as seen as mm-hmm. Because everybody was like, okay, we want you to do this and we want you to do that.

[00:45:28] Lori: The girls were a little different though, and I'm gonna be honest with you, you guys had a little bit more advantage over when it came to endorsing and stuff because you were big male body builders. Mm-hmm. And so you were that, that sexy icon male to where the women, we were more muscular. We really didn't fit into a lot of their genres far as their advertising they wanted at that point in time.

[00:45:50] Lori: The, the swimsuit models and stuff. Mm-hmm. But we were like, you know, we were big and they were like, ah, you

[00:45:55] Tower: guys were all sexy in your own way that I felt that any company would want to latch on. Mm. I think it's all how you pitched it.

[00:46:02] Lori: Yeah, I know. And I gotta look back. I mean, I don't know about you, but when I look back on the, the show 30 years later, I just go, oh my God.

[00:46:10] Lori: I mean, what do you think when you go back and watch the show? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:46:13] Tower: I mean, I don't know what I was thinking. It's licking my hair back and all the, you know, but, you know, one of the things is I always said to myself, do Lori, is, is a company's not gonna say go, you know, go into the CEO's not gonna go into his office one day and say, I think I'm gonna reach out to Tower from American leaders.

[00:46:27] Tower: Exactly. You know, you gotta put it in their, their minds. 100%. Yeah. You gotta put that idea, you know, like you and I were talking about water sponsors for, you know, for shows like that. Yeah. All it takes is just, you know, you getting in front of enough people. 100%. You know, so that's was always my approach.

[00:46:40] Tower: A no, doesn't mean that that, uh, that you're done with that one. It just means no right now. Right. Or you go to the next one. Exactly. Okay. Thank you very much. Next. Yep.

[00:46:48] Lori: And that's always been good for you. That's really awesome that you did

[00:46:51] Tower: that. You know, and I do that in my business today. Yeah. You know, um, you know, and we're gonna get

[00:46:55] Lori: into that in a minute, whether you're doing too, um, was there any like, Competitiveness with the guys.

[00:47:02] Lori: I know the girls, girls were super competitive with one another. I mean, we were like, even with some of the guys when it came to personal appearances. But I mean, we either, whether on the show or off the show, was there any competitiveness with you guys?

[00:47:15] Tower: I mean, I think, yeah, we always thought that Nitro was, thought he was better then,

[00:47:21] Lori: you know, he thought that, yeah, it was real.

[00:47:23] Lori: It wasn't even like, we're making this shit up, you know? So, I

[00:47:26] Tower: mean, I mean, again, I, I, I, I'm like TEFL line. I don't let stuff bother me. Uh, you know, some stuff, I mean, if, if you let it fester you, it's just, it's just not healthy for you. Right. To let that fester inside of you. So I, I just felt, just let it flow off me and just, you know, be grateful.

[00:47:42] Tower: The fact that I'm, I'm here, I have an opportunity. And that's the way I've always looked at it, because if you let those little things bother you then every little thing will bother you because in the entertainment industry, everyone has egos.

[00:47:53] Lori: Huge 10 gladiator egos.

[00:47:56] Lori: Exactly. Come

[00:47:56] Tower: on. Yeah. So we were dealing with, you know, 10, you know, nine other egos other than your own. Yeah. You know, and it was huge, you know, so I just, I never really got into the conflict. Uh, I never got into the, you know, the, the drama with the, with the, with the whole drug testing thing and all that kind of stuff.

[00:48:11] Tower: Just cuz just let it go. Yeah, exactly. Gimme a cup, I'll pee and,

[00:48:15] Lori: and I'm done. Yeah. That was . Like no big deal. Yeah. I mean, that was so ridiculous. And that was just, that just came from the, the WWF wrestling because they were all, you know, and it, it's sad that it kind of trickled down into us. Mm-hmm. You know, because they were all testing positive and so.

[00:48:30] Lori: I hate to say it, but even like Dan's book was like, well, that just, you know, they gave us a six month notice and we could just get it out of our system. And it was like, that was ridiculously stupid, you know? But competitiveness, it's like, I mean, we, I know, I remember with Ray and I's Zapp, I mean, Zapp was very competitive back then, even though she will swear that she wasn't.

[00:48:49] Lori: Right. I know. But when it came to personal appearance or something, I mean, she would undercut you. I mean, Hawk would undercut us to death. Remember that for a while? God lost that man.

[00:48:58] Tower: Sold. Yes. Hawk was a businessman. So he was a, uh, he had nba and, and so he was all about the money. Oh yeah.

[00:49:05] Lori: He was like, you guys are going out for like two and 3000.

[00:49:07] Lori: Screw it. I'll go out for a thousand. We were like, oh my God, we're gonna kill you. I'll, I'll

[00:49:10] Tower: do five of those. Yes. We were like,

[00:49:13] Lori: oh my God, we're gonna kill him. Oh, that was so incredibly out it. Yeah. But yeah, it was, um, it was really interesting. What doors opened for you?

[00:49:23] Tower: I think when you, when when I'd walk into an audition, I mean, yeah, people wouldn't know who I was.

[00:49:28] Tower: I mean, whether I got the part, whether I was right for the partner or not. I mean, when I got the, the Warner brother, uh, spart, I believe being on Gladiator's was the reason that I got it, because I was just coming off a show and, you know, they, they were launching a show and I think, I mean, it worked out well.

[00:49:41] Tower: I mean, I was up against every, every big guy in the industry, you know, of, you know, and there used to be a, I know for you when you went on auditions, but there was, you know, laser and I were always went on the same commercial auditions.

[00:49:52] Lori: Yeah. I, I always saw Ray. Yeah. She would always, you know what she would do?

[00:49:56] Lori: Oh, she used to piss me off. I caught this. She used to sit there and try to psych me out before the audition. Mm-hmm. She'd come over and she'd sit next to me and go, this is such bullshit. Blah, blah, blah, and just start talking shit and try to get me outta my zone. And I'm like, after a while I was like, oh.

[00:50:10] Lori: And I'd see her and audition and I'd like turn the other way.

[00:50:13] Tower: Uhhuh. Well, that's what Nitro does, the laser. Oh, interesting. Yeah. He, he mind screws Jim. Big time. Yeah. Yeah. And, and he and I, I saying, why do you let him get to you like that? You know why? Because he can. Because he can. Because can, because he can.

[00:50:26] Tower: That's why. Yeah. But, uh, I mean, so I, I think the biggest door that opened for me was just the fact that I. Was able to walk into auditions and they knew who I was. Yeah. Um, you know, I didn't have any, you know, anything major change in my life. But it gave you a leg up. Correct. No doubt. Yeah, it definitely did.

[00:50:43] Tower: You know, and, um, you know, and even in today, you know, later in, you know, 30 years, 25 years later, you know, it still helps. Still does. Exactly. It really does. I mean, it's not that I go around name dropping. Right. If, if they bring it up, you know, you don't have a hat that

[00:50:56] Lori: says tower. I'm kidding.

[00:51:02] Tower: No.

[00:51:03] Lori: Did you ever get to go any to a, uh, any Playboy parties, any like, super amazing industry parties that you can remember?

[00:51:10] VG2

[00:51:10] Tower: I mean, that was always my dream to go to the he's house, but that never happened. But, um, I mean I, I was able to go to a lot of like the Beverly Hills, uh, uh, the who's who, um, parties with, um, with actually our, our plastic surgeon doctor, you know, at the time, you know?

[00:51:26] Tower: Yeah. And, um, and he just like, was every Hollywood person in the world that you go like. Oh, wow, you worked on her. See,

[00:51:33] Lori: that's

[00:51:34] Tower: awesome though. So that was interesting to be, but again, it wasn't who I, I I can count on one hand, Lori, how many times I've been out, probably in, in LA since I've been out here for 30 or almost 40

[00:51:44] Lori: years.

[00:51:44] Lori: I'm sure that you could double that up. Come on. No,

[00:51:47] Tower: actually going to a club or going out. I mean, yeah, I'm just, that's not who I am. Really. So

[00:51:52] What's Tower up to today?

[00:51:52] Lori: tell me about your real estate. You are killing it right now. You're doing good. I mean, you've been in it how many years now? Five years. You've been doing it for five years.

[00:52:00] Lori: And that five years. I mean, if you, if you did anything in real estate, like you dedicated yourself and body building and Gladi eats and everything else, I mean, you've dedicated yourself and you're killing it. So tell me about. You know, where you're at, what you're doing? Well,

[00:52:13] Tower: I mean, I, I mean, I work for an amazing company with Keller Williams right now.

[00:52:17] Tower: And, um, you know, my wife, you know, we own, we own three Keller Williams. Wow. So we own one in Westlake.

[00:52:23] Lori: Go big or go home for

[00:52:24] Tower: you, man. Uh, we have an in Ranch Cucamonga, and she has one in en scene. We're, you know, relaunching Encino right now. Okay. So, um, it's a great organization. We have, you know, over 800 agents under, you know, under, um, our three offices.

[00:52:37] Tower: But for myself personally, I mean, again, yeah, I, I approach my real estate career like it did anything else in my life. Mm-hmm. Okay. Commitment and consistency. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it does. And if, if you, if you apply those two, two models Yeah. Uh, anything in life, quite frankly, you know, raising kids, if you're, if you commit to raising your kid, you gotta be consistent.

[00:52:56] Tower: Yeah. Your marriage, you have to commit and you have to be consistent. How many kids you got that I know of?

[00:53:03] Lori: I love it.

[00:53:06] Tower: Um, well, I've got three, three kids. Okay. Three kids and, and two stepdaughters. Okay. Um, so. But, uh, you know, just, but in my real estate business, Lori, um, you know, it's just that commitment.

[00:53:17] Tower: You see a lot of agents cuz you're an agent mm-hmm. You just see a lot of people. I used to be, you just see a lot of people that want to be an agent. Yeah. But they don't do the work or they don't put the time

[00:53:26] Lori: in the work is hard. I'm gonna be honest. The work is, it can be hard. Well

[00:53:30] Tower: it's, there is no easy, there is no fast quarter.

[00:53:32] Tower: Right. Exactly. You know, people think that, oh, commission check, 25,000 commission check. Well, you have to work your ass off to get that 100%. You do. You know, so, um, and, and I, and I'm not the type of person, I don't buy my leads. Mm-hmm. You know, I never believed in, um, you know, paint Zillow realtor or these, these in these online lead companies, uh, because I worked too hard for that commission.

[00:53:52] Tower: Right. Okay. And that's kind of, now we're in a, a unique market right now. Very, um, you know, where people got used to the 2.75 or 2.5 interest rates. Mm-hmm. Now, oh my God, they're at 5.9. You know? Yeah.

[00:54:05] Lori: People freak out when it just jumps up a little. Well, it just means that they can't afford the bigger house that they wanted.

[00:54:10] Lori: Right. That's all

[00:54:10] Tower: that means. But historically, Lori, you know, It's still 5.9 or 6% is still historical low.

[00:54:15] Lori: Great. Because back in our day, I mean, our parents, my, my dad told me that interest rates were something like 18% back in his day. My first

[00:54:23] Tower: house that I bought in 91, um, was 14%. Wow. Yeah. And, uh, so in today's market, I just, you, you gotta be different and unique and stand out.

[00:54:33] Tower: I mean, there's, you know, over 300,000 real estate agents in Southern California alone, and, you know, how do you become a household name mm-hmm. Like Arnold said. Yep. And how do you become the first, the forefront of a person's mind when they're ready to buy or sell. Yep. And so you have to be unique and different.

[00:54:47] Tower: And, um, I

[00:54:48] Lori: saw your, your, uh, it was, was it a listing presentation or a pamphlet you send out or you have in your hand? You have like your photos on it? Yeah. Like tower and stuff. Like, I mean, it's brilliant that you

[00:54:59] Tower: do that. Well, it's, it's my coach. I have a coach for real estate also. Okay. You know, and it's, again, if you wanna be successful in anything, Pay for a coach.

[00:55:07] Tower: Yeah. Pay for a coach. Because again, you don't have to think about the little things. That's his job. And then, and do what he tells you to do. Because if you're not, if you don't, then you're wasting your money. 100%. So he tell me, remember one time he told me, he says, go ahead and change your, your Facebook profile.

[00:55:21] Tower: Put a gladiator picture up there. Cuz when I first got in business, my wife as the owner, she's like, ah, you don't need that gladiator stuff. No one knows who that is anymore. Ah, bullshit.

[00:55:29] Lori: They

[00:55:29] Tower: do. And so I put it up there, met with him the next week, he goes, what happened? He goes, oh. I said, oh my God, it blew up.

[00:55:34] Tower: I says, oh, it just, he goes, okay, now he goes, let's create a listing presentation. Um, so we created this basically, My life in the entertainment history on this book cover. It's a hard on book cover. Cool. That's all imposed with my pictures of, of muscle muscle magazines and gladiators and whatnot.

[00:55:52] Tower: And it's hard bound. And when I walk into my listing presentation with this, uh, with all their information, it's, it's a personalized book for 'em that's bound. And, uh, they will look at that. They look at me, they . They go, I knew we knew you from somewhere. So now they've already accepted me in their house when they watched me.

[00:56:08] Tower: Yeah. Now it's conversational piece of what I'm doing now. Now you're building rapport. It's conversation, Lori. Yeah. You know, real estate is all about getting that conversation going and them to

[00:56:17] Lori: trust you. People buy from people they like. Exactly. So they, I learned that in my business. Yep. When I owned a few businesses, it was like, they will buy from you if they like you.

[00:56:26] Lori: And that just what you're doing was brilliant. How you were doing that and setting up the rapport and having that conversation, having 'em trust you. Yep. Because real estate is all about

[00:56:35] Tower: trust and you're, you're dealing with the number one asset of, of, of a person. I mean, it could be the last bit of money that they have before they pass away or, or, you know, a retire or whatever, you know, it may be.

[00:56:45] Tower: So they gotta trust you, you know. Well, you just recently did a commercial as well. Yes. So again, the market's shifting. Yeah. You know, the listings are less and less coming. Buyers are sitting back right now and like, okay, I think we're gonna wait for a deal. There aren't gonna be no deals, buyers, we're gonna

[00:57:01] Lori: wait.

[00:57:01] Lori: I'm sure I got so sick of that. I'm gonna wait.

[00:57:04] Tower: So I just, you know, there's just so, there's so many things on the last three listings that I went on, um, every house needed something, whether it's flooring, paint, , kitchen, rehab, whatever it may be. But they wanted to get top dollar still for

[00:57:19] Tower: and I told them, you really can't get top dollar in a condition. It's in. And I remember those days and you know, it's like, I don't wanna be the bear of bad news, but I'm just being truthful and honest with them. I says, if I list your house right now in the condition, and, and I'd probably list it for about 800,000.

[00:57:33] Tower: Mm-hmm. Okay. But if we put 35,000 into it and put, you know, little touch up here, there and, and that I says I could, I'd list it for a million, uh, probably 1,000,050. Yeah. Huge difference. You know, and so I said, do the math right? I said, said, that's a good return on your investment. Well, we can't afford 35,000.

[00:57:49] Tower: Right. So that's when I came up with this concept with my commercial, you know? And so my commercials basically is, is don't leave money on a table. Mm-hmm. You know, my team will go ahead and fix your house. Mm-hmm. Upfront. And it close when we close escrow. You pay escrow with your proceeds. Brilliant.

[00:58:06] Tower: That's awesome. You know, and, um, you know, it's, it's, it's Aaron right now, 4,000 times, um, a month. Wow. Um, in over 440,000 households. I mean, it was Aaron all during, on the golf channel during the masters. Love that. I had a buddy of mine call me. He said, I saw your commercial seven times today. So, you know, and I've gotten two listings off it already.

[00:58:23] Tower: Oh, it just paid for itself. Yeah. I got 1,000,006 and 1,000,005. So see, that's so cool. You know, so again, me thinking, I, I'm creating my own, uh, my own lead source. Mm-hmm. Instead of waiting, relying on someone else to send me a lead and then you have to pay them a 30% referral fee. Uh, I don't like doing that.

[00:58:39] Tower: I just never thought that that was part of my business model. Mm-hmm. And, uh, so again, um, we're gonna be running now for, and I have time, this just right, because we're gonna be running for three months and then the documentary's supposed to be coming out in June. Okay. I dunno if you heard that. Yes, I did.

[00:58:53] Tower: Okay, so June, so people are gonna go. Oh, that's the guy from the commercial? Yes. Oh, the documentary commercial. And my coaches now wants me to find a billboard on Ventura Boulevard. Oh, there you go. And do as scene on TV shot from the commercial. So they correlate the billboard, the commercial and documentary.

[00:59:11] Lori: Good for you. That should be amazing for you. So, so where can they

[00:59:14] Tower: find you now? Uh, they can, you can find me at Big H Homes. Okay. You know, just at Big H Homes, Instagram, Facebook, um, I mean, it's all right there. So you branding yourself

[00:59:23] Lori: across the board?

[00:59:24] Tower: Brand myself. Across the board, yeah. Beautiful. Good for you.

[00:59:27] Tower: And, um, you know, the, the, the thing about, uh, what I do today is, is I enjoy it.

[00:59:32] Lori: That's makes all the difference. You're not working when you enjoy what you're doing. You're not

[00:59:35] Tower: working, you know, and, and the fact, I, I mean, I, it's funny because my wife, can I talk a little bit about my wife? Please. Okay. So, you know, my wife today is just, just like amazing because I work with my wife, we train together and we, we prep our food together.

[00:59:49] Tower: And so it's like people go, do you ever get tired of her? That's the thing, Lori. I mean, this is my fourth go around. I'm no, I'm no beginner at this, right? So I, I'm, I'm, I'm not a, I'm not a quitter. Right. I'm gonna keep doing it till I get it. Right. There you go. There you go. And, but, you know, here's the thing is, is that we just, we both have the amazing interest, the same.

[01:00:08] Tower: I mean, who can I, who can, I mean, she's, she's 60, 62. Mm-hmm. And she's still competing at a national level, and she looks amazing. You know, and, uh, for us to be able to do that together is a, I mean, there's not many partners. If I'm competing for a show and she's like, oh, you really need to do that. It's always that night.

[01:00:25] Tower: Well, we have each other to support each other on the 5:00 AM fast cardios. So if I don't wanna get out of bed, or she doesn't wanna get outta bed, she's like,

[01:00:32] Lori: come on, God damn it,

[01:00:33] Tower: let's go. Exactly. Exactly. So, and in fact, then we go into work together. See, that's, that's, that's

[01:00:38] Lori: really it. That's amazing.

[01:00:39] Tower: That's cool. So it's like, I found my unicorn. Yeah. Ah,

[01:00:42] Lori: found your lobster. Yeah. Yeah. Like the friends, remember the friends episode? Yeah. Yeah. P'S like, it's your lobster.

[01:00:49] Tower: Yeah. So it's just, uh, you know, and if that's a, again, not expecting it, you know, just kind of keeping my eyes and ears open. Yeah. And, and you finding it.

[01:00:57] Tower: So when you least expect it, like you said, doors

[01:01:00] Lori: open, doors open. I will have you back because of the fact that after the documentary hits, I wanna do an episode of why there are two documentaries. And apparently nobody wants to talk about it. Oh. So there's a little controversy there, but we'll talk about that.

[01:01:21] Lori: Will the

[01:01:21] Tower: second documentary ever happen?

[01:01:23] Lori: I don't know. That's, well, who knows?

[01:01:26] Tower: I heard s

[01:01:28] Lori: Can I say that? Espn? Yeah, ESPN. 30 for 30. I was doing the other doc.

[01:01:31] Tower: Yeah. Yeah. But I heard that they have a shelf right now cuz there's no story. Uh oh. How much can you talk about mowing on it?

[01:01:39] Lori: I know, I know. And I love it.

[01:01:41] Lori: I love it. I know, I know. But I do. I wanna talk about it. I do want, I wanna talk about it and I know that we can talk about it in a way that it's respectful for everyone. Exactly. But I do wanna talk about why there's two documentaries coming out. Okay. After the second one ever.

[01:01:54] Tower: First one. Here's my philosophy.

[01:01:56] Tower: The first one to the, you know, to the plate is always gonna prevail.

[01:01:59] Lori: Well, here's my thing. Do you wanna be on something that airs just in the United States, or do you wanna be on something that airs. Across the globe.

[01:02:07] Tower: Correct. You know? Correct. And I always used the analogy of the iPhone. Okay. iPhone was the first touchscreen phone.

[01:02:13] Tower: Yeah. There's been a lot of knockoffs or tr wannabees. Yeah. But the iPhone's still number one. They were

[01:02:19] Lori: the first. I love it. We sang so much alike. It's great. They were first to the plate. Oh my God. Steve, thank you so much for being on today. Please come back. Let's talk about that again, what we were talking about.

[01:02:30] Lori: Cause we could get into that, that'd be a lot of fun. But, um, thank you so much. I so appreciate you coming down here and being in the studio

[01:02:36] Tower: with me today. I, I appreciate you asking me. It's a, a's it's an honor to be here.

[01:02:41] Tower: Thank you.

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